coffeeandkudzu:

For people ( cetacean-captivity) wondering how SeaWorld and other Western marine parks have fed into the Taiji dolphin drives, let me provide you with some illustrations, because we don’t mean that they are the financial cause:

Johnny sets up a lemonade stand on Main Street. He makes a lot of money and becomes very popular! Sally, who lives on Elm Street, also wants money. She sets up her own lemonade stand for Elm Street. She also makes money by following Johnny’s business model. 

America and the USSR are in a Cold War. But a part of the Cold War is trying to one-up each other. Space! The final frontier. America sends a chimp into space — the USSR builds sputnik. America puts a man on the moon and the USSR thinks that that is a swell idea indeed and aims to do the same.

Karl Lagerfeld puts on a fantastic F/W 2015 show in Paris. He created a fantastic peach chiffon ball gown that had fashion editors chattering for months afterward. Angelina Jolie wears it to her next photocall and Lauren Wixon wears it on the cover of Vogue’s September issue. And you can buy the knockoff a year later on the High Street. (You could top it off with a cerulean sweater, if you wanted.)

The Taiji drives began because of the demands of the display industry and they are sustained because of the demands of the display industry. MSQ and Loro Parque and Marineland and Komogawa are all deserving of criticism on their own merits, but SeaWorld is far and away the most visible and the most entrenched in the social psyche. It doesn’t matter that SeaWorld doesn’t import Taiji dolphins — what matters is that the drives started to support foreign SeaWorld knockoffs and SeaWorld has done absolutely nothing substantive over the past few years to denounce the drives or to spearhead initiatives to bring the drives to a halt.

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

cetacean-captivity:

tokitaee:

fortheloveoforca:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

cetacean-captivity:

As the cove runs red today, perhaps we would be more efficient in directing our anger and frustration towards the Taiji fishermen and marine parks who buy from Taiji. 

Complaining about Seaworld’s lack of action in this non related issue is so off point it’s concerning. 

Except it’s not. As we’ve told you numerous times. Stop ignoring the excellent points multiple people have told you numerous times. 

Nah fuck you, do not use this tragedy to futher your seaworld is a saint bullshit, without seaworld creating the need for seacircuses there would be no fucking slaughter, HOW CAN YOU NOT GET THIS! I will continue to be disgusted at both seaworld and taiji scum thanks! CC your arguments are fucking stupid

Okay so there are certain people on this website whose posts LITERALLY MAKE ME JAW DROP, and I become speechless. It’s as if the pro cap stupidity spread to my brain and takes hold. Its a fucking disease.

Ok hun, if you think criticizing Seaworld for something they’re not doing and no longer have an affect on is efficient, please, continue. 

I don’t like your blog or your posts because you make an art form out of completely missing the point, but:

Seaworld could very likely, very easily have a noticable effect on Taiji by simply condemning the hunts and the slaughter meaningfully. Seaworld is not an industry leader, they are THE industry leader.

If Seaworld simply said “we won’t have anything to do with your business or facility in the future if you make use of the events at Taiji”, that would have a meaningful impact.

But they don’t.

It doesn’t matter if Seaworld is no longer actively involved - if they truly learned that it was wrong or in poor taste to gain from Taiji, or have an evolved business as a result — cool, they need to be spreading the good news to other facilities. They need to be promoting responsible stewardship.

But they don’t.

They said this in the PR video:
As we’ve progressed through history, and as we’ve evolved as a company, we’ve realised that that may not be the best message, and we want to make sure that we’re absolutely sending that message clear, that we want to put a stop to the drive fisheries. 

If they want to put a stop to it, what are they doing to pursue that goal? Can you, or anyone, point me to an action they’ve taken?

Tweeting and PR videos do not count. They absolutely should not be given a free pass to talk the talk without walking the walk. It is irresponsible and ignorant to fail to call them out on this.

And that is all atop the underlying problem (and why Seaworld is still every bit as culpable for Taiji especially in the face of complete inaction) — they are setting a bad example. They show people that there is a profitable business in captive cetaceans performing for tourists, and it’s especially enticing in places that don’t have many regulations for import/export. A quick buck to be made all around. 

There aren’t enough captive-bred animals available that every new facility in China, Russia, and the Middle East can purchase them easily. Even if there were, they’d probably still opt for wild-captures because it’s very likely cheaper/easier overall. This is a major reason why anti-caps are, at large, pissed off with marine parks.

If it makes a profit, it sets an example. Seaworld could be setting a much better example.

But they don’t.

caong:

Are you people being deliberately fucking stupid or are you just desperately trying to delude yourselves into thinking Seaworld actually gives a shit about these animals?

Literally what have they done so far? Posted a single tweet, some youtube videos which were just anti-Cove rubbish and did nothing for the dolphins.

You’re praising the hell out of Seaworld for posting one tweet, yet you’re mysteriously silent about Taiji the rest of the time. And the Grind. Kind of like Seaworld, actually.

We’re talking about the biggest marine park chain in the world, here. A few pretty words just doesn’t cut it. They should be actively protesting, actively putting pressure on Taiji buyers. They should be activists. But whoops, they can’t be because they hate activists, remember? Better to just sit passively and occasionally throw a few weak words of support at those people actually working their asses off to document the horror that goes on in Taiji and directly oppose it.

You people are so easily bought off, and it sickens me.

caong:

nimwey:

cetacean-captivity:

*leaves this here and backs away*

*Checking the notes*
Oh, so when SeaWorld doesn’t say anything about the slaughters it’s “WHY AREN’T THEY SPEAKING UP? Do they like dolphins being slaughtered? I bet they buy dolphins from there all the time.”
But when they do protest it and take a stand against it, it’s “Oh look, SeaWorld trying to raise their PR.” “They don’t give a damn about dolphins.” “They are a joke.” “Fuck SeaWorld.”
SeaWorld just can’t catch a break. No matter what they do, it’s wrong.
And no, they DON’T import dolphins caught in drive hunts. They stopped doing that in the 80s (they viewed it as saving a few animals that were otherwise going to be slaughtered, as more than 99% of the animals are slaughtered anyway and it IS primarily for meat and “pest control”), and even if they were so fucked up they wanted to, it would be impossible as it is illegal to import any cetacean caught in a drive hunt into the US.
Stop spreading lies.

Protest and take a stand?
This is lip service. If Seaworld actually wanted to make a stand, REALLY wanted to make a difference, they’d stop doing business with parks that buy from Taiji. They’d denounce those parks as going against conservation and protection for cetaceans. They’d be doing tons of work raising awareness and encouraging people to boycott marine parks that buy from the drive hunts. They’d put pressure on parks not to buy from the drive hunts. Do they actually do any of that? Of course not, because it doesn’t make any money.
That’s what pisse sme off so much about this whole thing, that they could be massive movers and shakers in the Taiji issue and Grindarap but they instead make a twitter post and y’all procaps act like they’re saving the universe when in reality they haven’t done shit, as usual.
The fact that you even consider Seaworld’s spiel of “saving” those animals from Taiji is astounding. They didn’t go there to rescue animals. They went there because it was easy to get new stock for their parks, please don’t be so deliberately ignorant.
The fact that people on tumblr have done more for the dolphins of Taiji than a multimillion dollar company that claims to vehemently oppose drive hunts should say something to you.

Can I just also add that, nimwey, you’ve gotten a few things wrong here.
Firstly, while Seaworld doesn’t deal directly with Taiji fishermen (anymore), it does deal with Kamogawa Seaworld, who do buy from drive fisheries. Kamogawa Seaworld is also very closely tied to Port of Nagoya, who openly state that they are willing to buy from drive fisheries and live captures companies. 
Also, Seaworld is currently in the process of moving Kirara from Kamogawa Seaworld.  Kirara’s parents were ‘entangled in nets’ - an excuse used annually at Taiji and other dolphin slaughter sites when capturing Pacific White Sided Dolphins as they panic so much they throw themselves onto rocks and as such cannot be brought into the cove. Seaworld’s own application for Kirara states her parents were ‘collected in a set net procedure’. 
Finally, the Taiji slaughter does not kill 99% of dolphins captured. In the 2011/2012 hunt 6% of the captured dolphins were taken into captivity, while another 6% were released. 
In the 2012/2013 hunt, the number of dolphins taken into captivity was 16%, while another 22% were released. 
In the 2013/2014 hunt, 10% were captured and 31% released. 
So no, 99% of those dolphins driven into the cove are not going to be killed. Some are going to be taken into captivity, some older/scarred/’ugly’ dolphins are going to be put through the stress of a drive, watching their family members (mostly their calves and younger relatives) dragged away kicking and screaming all the while, and being forced back out to sea all so someone just like you can sit in a stadium and watch a pretty dolphin perform tricks for your amusement. 
More and more dolphins every year are being driven into Taiji to fuel to captive industry, the entire month of September in the Taiji is dedicated to capturing bottlenose dolphins (none are allowed to be slaughtered). But with the price of a dead dolphin around 500 US $, while a live dolphin could be up to 150,000 US $, it’s not hard to work out why Taiji is fueled by captivity. 
And yet through all this, all Seaworld did was make on tweet saying how they, as a company don’t support the Taiji fishermen. Well whoop-dee-fucking-doo, that should solve everything.
Also, dolphin meat demands are dropping dramatically in Japan, particularly in urban areas (92% of the country and growing), literally all that keep Taiji up and running is captivity. But yeah, that tweet (in English btw - clearly directed at Seaworld supporters, and not at the actual people who can either do something in Japan, or are actually involved in Taiji) is really something. 

caong:

nimwey:

cetacean-captivity:

*leaves this here and backs away*

*Checking the notes*

Oh, so when SeaWorld doesn’t say anything about the slaughters it’s “WHY AREN’T THEY SPEAKING UP? Do they like dolphins being slaughtered? I bet they buy dolphins from there all the time.”

But when they do protest it and take a stand against it, it’s “Oh look, SeaWorld trying to raise their PR.” “They don’t give a damn about dolphins.” “They are a joke.” “Fuck SeaWorld.”

SeaWorld just can’t catch a break. No matter what they do, it’s wrong.

And no, they DON’T import dolphins caught in drive hunts. They stopped doing that in the 80s (they viewed it as saving a few animals that were otherwise going to be slaughtered, as more than 99% of the animals are slaughtered anyway and it IS primarily for meat and “pest control”), and even if they were so fucked up they wanted to, it would be impossible as it is illegal to import any cetacean caught in a drive hunt into the US.

Stop spreading lies.

Protest and take a stand?

This is lip service. If Seaworld actually wanted to make a stand, REALLY wanted to make a difference, they’d stop doing business with parks that buy from Taiji. They’d denounce those parks as going against conservation and protection for cetaceans. They’d be doing tons of work raising awareness and encouraging people to boycott marine parks that buy from the drive hunts. They’d put pressure on parks not to buy from the drive hunts. Do they actually do any of that? Of course not, because it doesn’t make any money.

That’s what pisse sme off so much about this whole thing, that they could be massive movers and shakers in the Taiji issue and Grindarap but they instead make a twitter post and y’all procaps act like they’re saving the universe when in reality they haven’t done shit, as usual.

The fact that you even consider Seaworld’s spiel of “saving” those animals from Taiji is astounding. They didn’t go there to rescue animals. They went there because it was easy to get new stock for their parks, please don’t be so deliberately ignorant.

The fact that people on tumblr have done more for the dolphins of Taiji than a multimillion dollar company that claims to vehemently oppose drive hunts should say something to you.

Can I just also add that, nimwey, you’ve gotten a few things wrong here.

Firstly, while Seaworld doesn’t deal directly with Taiji fishermen (anymore), it does deal with Kamogawa Seaworld, who do buy from drive fisheries. Kamogawa Seaworld is also very closely tied to Port of Nagoya, who openly state that they are willing to buy from drive fisheries and live captures companies. 

Also, Seaworld is currently in the process of moving Kirara from Kamogawa Seaworld.  Kirara’s parents were ‘entangled in nets’ - an excuse used annually at Taiji and other dolphin slaughter sites when capturing Pacific White Sided Dolphins as they panic so much they throw themselves onto rocks and as such cannot be brought into the cove. Seaworld’s own application for Kirara states her parents were ‘collected in a set net procedure’. 

Finally, the Taiji slaughter does not kill 99% of dolphins captured. In the 2011/2012 hunt 6% of the captured dolphins were taken into captivity, while another 6% were released. 

In the 2012/2013 hunt, the number of dolphins taken into captivity was 16%, while another 22% were released. 

In the 2013/2014 hunt, 10% were captured and 31% released. 

So no, 99% of those dolphins driven into the cove are not going to be killed. Some are going to be taken into captivity, some older/scarred/’ugly’ dolphins are going to be put through the stress of a drive, watching their family members (mostly their calves and younger relatives) dragged away kicking and screaming all the while, and being forced back out to sea all so someone just like you can sit in a stadium and watch a pretty dolphin perform tricks for your amusement. 

More and more dolphins every year are being driven into Taiji to fuel to captive industry, the entire month of September in the Taiji is dedicated to capturing bottlenose dolphins (none are allowed to be slaughtered). But with the price of a dead dolphin around 500 US $, while a live dolphin could be up to 150,000 US $, it’s not hard to work out why Taiji is fueled by captivity. 

And yet through all this, all Seaworld did was make on tweet saying how they, as a company don’t support the Taiji fishermen. Well whoop-dee-fucking-doo, that should solve everything.

Also, dolphin meat demands are dropping dramatically in Japan, particularly in urban areas (92% of the country and growing), literally all that keep Taiji up and running is captivity. But yeah, that tweet (in English btw - clearly directed at Seaworld supporters, and not at the actual people who can either do something in Japan, or are actually involved in Taiji) is really something.